The entire story makes zilch sense. Don’t think too hard about it, otherwise the little fan girls will get mad and say we’re overanalyzing books (even though books are meant to be analyzed… hmm). If they don’t say that, they’ll say, "It’s just fiction, so who cares?".
Apparently Carlisle, who has been to medical school a bajillion times and is so curious about how the body works that he tested Jake’s DNA without Jake knowing, has never bothered to check his sperm. Hmmm. One would think that he would find out everything he could about vampire pregnancy to make Esme happy, since she so desperately wants kids. If not, one would think he would have at least checked out of curiosity , since he was curious enough to test Jake. If he’s so insatiably curious as to check another person’s DNA out without that person’s permission, why would he never have bothered to check his own?!
Smeyer said Bella got pregnant from Edward’s sperm… wouldn’t that have turned her into a vampire? Didn’t she say that Edward was careful about kissing her not only because he didn’t want to lose control, but because he didn’t want any venomous saliva getting into her? And how is it possible for her to get pregnant from venom sperm? DNA is made of protein– vampires have no protein. They have no need for DNA. On top of that, they couldn’t have conceived a viable child. If the parents of an organism had different numbers of chromosomes, the child is a hybrid– a cross breed (mules and ligers, for example). Nine out of ten times, the hybrid won’t be able to breed successfully because of the chromosome difference. It’s unlikely that Nessie would be viable (or end up with 24 chromosomes. Twenty three and Twenty five chromosomes doesn’t make 24), which means it’s useless for Jake to imprint on her, since they imprint on their best genetic match (aka the one who can have more werewolf babies). Plus if the wolves have 24 chromosomes, and some of them have imprinted on humans (Claire, Kim, Emily), and those humans only have 23 chromosomes, there is NO way they could have normal kids together. Twenty three and twenty four just doens’t match up.
Even if Edward didn’t think she could get pregnant, wouldn’t he have taken every precaution necessary since he knew he would cum? Edward is obsessively protective of her– it’s not like him to not think of it.
He should hae known. He said he asked Emmett and Jasper about it. They should have told him that when they have sex, they either ejac sperm or venom. So Edward SHOULD have known that Bella would either get pregnant or be burned and turned into a vampire from the insde out.
It makes NO sense but if it were up to me,
Renestard would not have even been mentioned,
Jacob would have been strong enough to resist imprinting, Charlie would have found out everything,
Bella would have been a normal newborn and not have a super awesome control power,
Renee would have found out everything,
The Volturi would have attacked,
The new vampires mentioned at the end would have been WAAAAY more developed as characters,
The first hunt scene would have been longer and more descriptive,
Bella would have killed someone and tasted human blood,
Edward would not have called Jacob ‘My son’ which was effing retarded.
People/ Vampires/ Werewolves would have DIED!!!
there has never been a couple like edward and bella before. so why would he know to be careful. Carlisle says in breaking dawn that he didn’t think it would be possible so he never thought to tell them to be careful.
Apparently, Edward disregarded this fact and went ahead without protection. It has been said that he did not consider using protection just because he was a vampire, and he did not think vampires could get humans pregnant.
It doesn’t fit with the story at all. Edward is overbearing throughout the whole series, and yet he tosses that quality aside just because he figures he can’t get Bella pregnant? Why would he take the risk of unprotected sex when his entire life is dedicated to keeping Bella safe? Saying that Ed is just a regular guy is a lame excuse; Ed stopped Bella from having sex with him in Eclipse, right? If he can have that sort of self-restraint, then he can take the time to put on a condom.
They didn’t know it would happen. Like someone posted above there never was a couple like Edward and Bella. Plain as that. Edward may not be human but he is still man and apparently he didn’t think into that all too well.
because a human and a vampire having sex theyve never heard of before so they didnt know. and you are right but i guess stephenie says his venom came through his penis somehow or something
Edward was vampire and doesn’t have the original body fluids. His body remains how it was.. and cannot make any more sperm. He is the only one that got close enough to a human and didn’t kill her that he KNEW about. there were other instances as you find out in Breaking Dawn.
Also, everyone is trying to put in their own opinion of how it happened.
Why did no one go to the author?
On Stephanie Meyers page she has a FAQ about Breaking Dawn.
the question is:
Vampires and pregnancy: when did that idea occur to you? How does that work?
The first seed (no pun intended) was planted when I did Bella’s computer research in chapter seven of Twilight. Bella reads about several real vampire legends—the Danag, Estrie, Upier, etc. In the novel, I only mentioned a few of the many legends I read through. One that I didn’t mention at this point was the entry on the Incubus. The unique feature about that legend was that the incubus could father children. Hmmm, I said, and I filed that kernel of an idea away for later. When I decided to write the first sequel to Twilight (Forever Dawn), I knew it was going to revolve around a hybrid baby from the outset.
When my editor and I decided to go back and really develop Bella’s last year of high school, I did so with the knowledge that it was all going to end up with the events in Breaking Dawn. Everything I wrote was pointed in that direction.
I was always very careful when I answered the "Can vampires have babies?" question, because I didn’t want to say anything incorrect, but I also didn’t want to make the future super-obvious. I focused my answers on the female half of the equation—female vampires cannot have children because their bodies no longer change in any aspect. There is no changing cycle to begin with, and their bodies couldn’t expand to fit a growing child, either. I purposely evaded answering the question, "Can a male vampire get a human female pregnant?" to preserve a tiny bit of surprise in the last book. There were many statements on this subject purported to have come from me, but I never made those comments because, obviously, I knew where this was going.
Now, on to the "how is this possible?" question. First of all, of course it’s not possible. None of this story is possible. It’s a fantasy story about creatures that don’t actually exist. Within the context of the fantasy, however, this is how it works:
Vampires are physically similar enough to their human origins to pass as humans under some circumstances (like cloudy days). There are many basic differences. They appear to have skin like ours, albeit very fair skin. The skin serves the same general purpose of protecting the body. However, the cells that make up their skin are not pliant like our cells, they are hard and reflective like crystal. A fluid similar to the venom in their mouths works as a lubricant between the cells, which makes movement possible (note: this fluid is very flammable). A fluid similar to the same venom lubricates their eyes so that their eyes can move easily in their sockets. (However, they don’t produce tears because tears exist to protect the eye from damage, and nothing is going to be able to scratch a vampire’s eye.) The lubricant-venom in the eyes and skin is not able to infect a human the way saliva-venom can. Similarly, throughout the vampire’s body are many versions of venom-based fluids that retain a marked resemblance to the fluid that was replaced, and function in much the same way and toward the same purpose. Though there is no venom replacement that works precisely like blood, many of the functions of blood are carried on in some form. Also, the nervous system runs in a slightly different but heightened way. Some involuntary reactions, like breathing, continue (in that specific example because vampires use the scents in the air much more than we do, rather than out of a need for oxygen). Other involuntary reactions, like blinking, don’t exist because there is no purpose for them. The normal reactions of arousal are still present in vampires, made possible by venom-related fluids that cause tissues to react similarly as they do to an influx of blood. Like with vampire skin—which looks similar to human skin and has the same basic function—fluids closely related to seminal fluids still exist in male vampires, which carry genetic information and are capable of bonding with a human ovum. This was not a known fact in the vampire world (outside of Joham’s personal experimenting) before Nessie, because it’s nearly impossible for a vampire to be that near a human and not kill her.
I didn’t get into all of these details at my signings because it’s a long, complicated mouthful. Also, it’s hard to be clearly heard with all the screaming. Mostly, though, I waited to do this in writing because I have an immature, Homer Simpson-like tendency to giggle when I say the words "seminal fluids" in public.
November 29th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
The entire story makes zilch sense. Don’t think too hard about it, otherwise the little fan girls will get mad and say we’re overanalyzing books (even though books are meant to be analyzed… hmm). If they don’t say that, they’ll say, "It’s just fiction, so who cares?".
Apparently Carlisle, who has been to medical school a bajillion times and is so curious about how the body works that he tested Jake’s DNA without Jake knowing, has never bothered to check his sperm. Hmmm. One would think that he would find out everything he could about vampire pregnancy to make Esme happy, since she so desperately wants kids. If not, one would think he would have at least checked out of curiosity , since he was curious enough to test Jake. If he’s so insatiably curious as to check another person’s DNA out without that person’s permission, why would he never have bothered to check his own?!
Smeyer said Bella got pregnant from Edward’s sperm… wouldn’t that have turned her into a vampire? Didn’t she say that Edward was careful about kissing her not only because he didn’t want to lose control, but because he didn’t want any venomous saliva getting into her? And how is it possible for her to get pregnant from venom sperm? DNA is made of protein– vampires have no protein. They have no need for DNA. On top of that, they couldn’t have conceived a viable child. If the parents of an organism had different numbers of chromosomes, the child is a hybrid– a cross breed (mules and ligers, for example). Nine out of ten times, the hybrid won’t be able to breed successfully because of the chromosome difference. It’s unlikely that Nessie would be viable (or end up with 24 chromosomes. Twenty three and Twenty five chromosomes doesn’t make 24), which means it’s useless for Jake to imprint on her, since they imprint on their best genetic match (aka the one who can have more werewolf babies). Plus if the wolves have 24 chromosomes, and some of them have imprinted on humans (Claire, Kim, Emily), and those humans only have 23 chromosomes, there is NO way they could have normal kids together. Twenty three and twenty four just doens’t match up.
Even if Edward didn’t think she could get pregnant, wouldn’t he have taken every precaution necessary since he knew he would cum? Edward is obsessively protective of her– it’s not like him to not think of it.
Like I said. The entire damn book makes no sense.
November 29th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
He should hae known. He said he asked Emmett and Jasper about it. They should have told him that when they have sex, they either ejac sperm or venom. So Edward SHOULD have known that Bella would either get pregnant or be burned and turned into a vampire from the insde out.
It makes NO sense but if it were up to me,
Renestard would not have even been mentioned,
Jacob would have been strong enough to resist imprinting, Charlie would have found out everything,
Bella would have been a normal newborn and not have a super awesome control power,
Renee would have found out everything,
The Volturi would have attacked,
The new vampires mentioned at the end would have been WAAAAY more developed as characters,
The first hunt scene would have been longer and more descriptive,
Bella would have killed someone and tasted human blood,
Edward would not have called Jacob ‘My son’ which was effing retarded.
People/ Vampires/ Werewolves would have DIED!!!
November 29th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
that entire story line doesn’t make sense. don’t lose sleep over it, no one understands.
November 29th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
because he’s technically not alive, i guess he just figured his sperm wouldn’t be capable pf producing anything.
November 29th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
there has never been a couple like edward and bella before. so why would he know to be careful. Carlisle says in breaking dawn that he didn’t think it would be possible so he never thought to tell them to be careful.
November 29th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Apparently, Edward disregarded this fact and went ahead without protection. It has been said that he did not consider using protection just because he was a vampire, and he did not think vampires could get humans pregnant.
It doesn’t fit with the story at all. Edward is overbearing throughout the whole series, and yet he tosses that quality aside just because he figures he can’t get Bella pregnant? Why would he take the risk of unprotected sex when his entire life is dedicated to keeping Bella safe? Saying that Ed is just a regular guy is a lame excuse; Ed stopped Bella from having sex with him in Eclipse, right? If he can have that sort of self-restraint, then he can take the time to put on a condom.
November 29th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
They didn’t know it would happen. Like someone posted above there never was a couple like Edward and Bella. Plain as that. Edward may not be human but he is still man and apparently he didn’t think into that all too well.
November 29th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
because a human and a vampire having sex theyve never heard of before so they didnt know. and you are right but i guess stephenie says his venom came through his penis somehow or something
November 29th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Edward was vampire and doesn’t have the original body fluids. His body remains how it was.. and cannot make any more sperm. He is the only one that got close enough to a human and didn’t kill her that he KNEW about. there were other instances as you find out in Breaking Dawn.
Also, everyone is trying to put in their own opinion of how it happened.
Why did no one go to the author?
On Stephanie Meyers page she has a FAQ about Breaking Dawn.
the question is:
Vampires and pregnancy: when did that idea occur to you? How does that work?
The first seed (no pun intended) was planted when I did Bella’s computer research in chapter seven of Twilight. Bella reads about several real vampire legends—the Danag, Estrie, Upier, etc. In the novel, I only mentioned a few of the many legends I read through. One that I didn’t mention at this point was the entry on the Incubus. The unique feature about that legend was that the incubus could father children. Hmmm, I said, and I filed that kernel of an idea away for later. When I decided to write the first sequel to Twilight (Forever Dawn), I knew it was going to revolve around a hybrid baby from the outset.
When my editor and I decided to go back and really develop Bella’s last year of high school, I did so with the knowledge that it was all going to end up with the events in Breaking Dawn. Everything I wrote was pointed in that direction.
I was always very careful when I answered the "Can vampires have babies?" question, because I didn’t want to say anything incorrect, but I also didn’t want to make the future super-obvious. I focused my answers on the female half of the equation—female vampires cannot have children because their bodies no longer change in any aspect. There is no changing cycle to begin with, and their bodies couldn’t expand to fit a growing child, either. I purposely evaded answering the question, "Can a male vampire get a human female pregnant?" to preserve a tiny bit of surprise in the last book. There were many statements on this subject purported to have come from me, but I never made those comments because, obviously, I knew where this was going.
Now, on to the "how is this possible?" question. First of all, of course it’s not possible. None of this story is possible. It’s a fantasy story about creatures that don’t actually exist. Within the context of the fantasy, however, this is how it works:
Vampires are physically similar enough to their human origins to pass as humans under some circumstances (like cloudy days). There are many basic differences. They appear to have skin like ours, albeit very fair skin. The skin serves the same general purpose of protecting the body. However, the cells that make up their skin are not pliant like our cells, they are hard and reflective like crystal. A fluid similar to the venom in their mouths works as a lubricant between the cells, which makes movement possible (note: this fluid is very flammable). A fluid similar to the same venom lubricates their eyes so that their eyes can move easily in their sockets. (However, they don’t produce tears because tears exist to protect the eye from damage, and nothing is going to be able to scratch a vampire’s eye.) The lubricant-venom in the eyes and skin is not able to infect a human the way saliva-venom can. Similarly, throughout the vampire’s body are many versions of venom-based fluids that retain a marked resemblance to the fluid that was replaced, and function in much the same way and toward the same purpose. Though there is no venom replacement that works precisely like blood, many of the functions of blood are carried on in some form. Also, the nervous system runs in a slightly different but heightened way. Some involuntary reactions, like breathing, continue (in that specific example because vampires use the scents in the air much more than we do, rather than out of a need for oxygen). Other involuntary reactions, like blinking, don’t exist because there is no purpose for them. The normal reactions of arousal are still present in vampires, made possible by venom-related fluids that cause tissues to react similarly as they do to an influx of blood. Like with vampire skin—which looks similar to human skin and has the same basic function—fluids closely related to seminal fluids still exist in male vampires, which carry genetic information and are capable of bonding with a human ovum. This was not a known fact in the vampire world (outside of Joham’s personal experimenting) before Nessie, because it’s nearly impossible for a vampire to be that near a human and not kill her.
I didn’t get into all of these details at my signings because it’s a long, complicated mouthful. Also, it’s hard to be clearly heard with all the screaming. Mostly, though, I waited to do this in writing because I have an immature, Homer Simpson-like tendency to giggle when I say the words "seminal fluids" in public.